Northern League a total shambles

[Not from Riley Green]

Maybe as a club we need to do what Bob Shep....err sorry....Not from Salford suggests (sorry Bob you give yourself away with the use of the letter z in words that it shouldnt be in. Were Brits not Americans) and have a sit down with those in power at the club & come up with a some solutions? Personally I think Aidan made good point too. Why just look within the club for help. Make an offer for a good team manager or similar from another club? It works in other sports......its also true to say that distance runners have all year round priorities & in summer seem more keen to target the inter club series rather than the Northern League. Over to the Chairman & President for some inspiration

[MY EGOS TO BIG]

oh dear

i knew it was only a matter of all of time before this happened .

all athletes that turn up in the free time put in 100% and do all the coaches(free)

perhaps one or two people ,s ego are getting a little ahead of themselves, this is a sport not a living its FUN if someone wants to leave "goodbye "

we

[Jane]

Has 'my ego's too big' ever thought that just maybe some athletes would like to try and really suceed in the sport and go on to make a living out of it rather than just having fun? May be if he or she used their 'real'name it would lend more weight to their comments!

[Pete Benson]

::)So, when young athletes like Carl Dickinson David Rigby and others articulate their feelings and passion for their sport and their club ( very well too) and put their name to their views they stand accused of having inflated egos by some one I guess an adult and I guess a Coach hiding, behind anonymity.
Those two and many others have represented their club for several years and were the backbone of the young athletes team that moved through the 3rd, 2nd and 1st divisions to hand over a legacy o Premier division competition to the current young athletes.
The same people have moved on to represent the senior teams so they have earned the right to articulate their views with a passion in the best long term interest of the club.
The author must either be thick or drunk to say that young Athletes who make their views known have inflated egos, I guess probably both.
More worrying is that if this is the view of a coach or an official of the club that this club can wave "goodbye" to young athletes who care passionately about what they do there is a very clear message coming out about the ambition of people who hold these views.
Even more worrying is that if some one out there, especially Coaches or club (that’s from any club) officials think that Athletics to 16 - 20year olds who have trained religiously for several years is FUN ONLY they need to appraise their understanding of Coaching etc. Athletics Coaches are supposedly Athlete centred and their Primary function is to ensure that within Health, Safety and Child Protection requirements they enable Athletes to become "the best they want to be". Coaches also should be supported to become "the best they want to be".
Everyone should be supporting these young Athletes and encouraging them to articulate their feelings and we, Adults, should be guiding/assisting them to achieve their personal and club aspirations.
Young Athletes Keep writing what you feel, the club should be proud of you although some old biddies will take exception don't let this deter you.
Stay in the Club and change the negative attitude because no matter where you go you are guaranteed that other Committees have the same backward but hard working (not smart working) biddies but they may do certain things better
Ps Whilst Mr or Mrs Anonymous and their ilk feel "this is a Sport not a living" Athletics and Athletes will continue to get the Mushroom treatment. To any youngster between the ages of 18/20 who don't know what the mushroom treatment is, ask your Dad or Mum.

Pete Benson

[syoung]

Hi Peter -

Good to hear from you. You have been greatly missed around the club. The place just isn’t the same.

Stephen

[Carl]

MY said:

oh dear

i knew it was only a matter of all of time before this happened .

all athletes that turn up in the free time put in 100% and do all the coaches(free)

perhaps one or two people ,s ego are getting a little ahead of themselves, this is a sport not a living its FUN if someone wants
to leave "goodbye "

we

tell me your joking? go on, name yourself..........

[Carl]

Pete said:

::)So, when young athletes like Carl Dickinson David Rigby and others articulate their feelings and passion for their sport and their club ( very well too) and put their name to their views they stand accused of having inflated egos by some one I guess an adult and I guess a Coach hiding, behind anonymity.
Those two and many others have represented their club for several years and were the backbone of the young athletes team that moved through the 3rd, 2nd and 1st divisions to hand over a legacy o Premier division competition to the current young athletes.
The same people have moved on to represent the senior teams so they have earned the right to articulate their views with a passion in the best long term interest of the club.
The author must either be thick or drunk to say that young Athletes who make their views known have inflated egos, I guess probably both.
More worrying is that if this is the view of a coach or an official of the club that this club can wave "goodbye" to young athletes who care passionately about what they do there is a very clear message coming out about the ambition of people who hold these views.
Even more worrying is that if some one out there, especially Coaches or club (that’s from any club) officials think that Athletics to 16 - 20year olds who have trained religiously for several years is FUN ONLY they need to appraise their understanding of Coaching etc. Athletics Coaches are supposedly Athlete centred and their Primary function is to ensure that within Health, Safety and Child Protection requirements they enable Athletes to become "the best they want to be". Coaches also should be supported to become "the best they want to be".
Everyone should be supporting these young Athletes and encouraging them to articulate their feelings and we, Adults, should be guiding/assisting them to achieve their personal and club aspirations.
Young Athletes Keep writing what you feel, the club should be proud of you although some old biddies will take exception don't let this deter you.
Stay in the Club and change the negative attitude because no matter where you go you are guaranteed that other Committees have the same backward but hard working (not smart working) biddies but they may do certain things better
Ps Whilst Mr or Mrs Anonymous and their ilk feel "this is a Sport not a living" Athletics and Athletes will continue to get the Mushroom treatment. To any youngster between the ages of 18/20 who don't know what the mushroom treatment is, ask your Dad or Mum.

Pete Benson

its good to hear from u Pete, ive started to feel suffocated a bit without certain people around.......

[Pete Benson]

Deep intake of oxygen Carl I am not dead

Pete Benson ;D

[David Rigby]

Why shud we take anyone seriously who criticises but refuses to use their real name! And i'd like to say thanks to Pete for his comments.

[Christopher Robinson]

Well done Carl!! A superb athlete and a straight forward person who will stand up and be counted.
As a person who has personally supported this club in a lot of ways over the last few years and if allowed to, will continue to!!Because of the many young athletes like Carl, David and others like them who want to get to the top and are not happy just to compete.
Isn't it time all this bickering between coaches and commitee members stopped and Pete Benson was welcomed back with open arms with everyone working together for the good of the athletes instead of thier own egos.

[Billy Elliot]

A few things to consider that may move the debate forward:

1. No one gets involved in something with the aspiration of doing a bad job. If you have criticised others (directly or implicitly) who are already involved, for doing a bad job, then you should be ashamed of yourself.

2. Carl/David. my guess is that - other than athletes - you are not involved with the running (no pun intended) of your club; why not? You seem to have a lot to offer. Get more involved.

3. Anonimity is fine. Not that you ever will - but why should you know who i am. If you don't agree with what i say; ignore it. If you do; use it.

4. If my first point is valid, then is it not true that future discussion should be as objective as possible.

5. Be realistics in your aspiration for your club.

6. Get together and get on with it. Turning things into reality is far better than any rhetoric you may have to post here!!!!.

[Carl]

Some fine points Billy, except point 1 and therefore 4, and 2. Congratulations with 3, 5 and 6.

Point 1 is null and void because to be ashamed of myself would now make me a hypocrite and thats what I am not. I have criticised but lets face Billy if you knew me the way you seem to think you must do then you would respond like many others, supporting my move. Believe it or not the criticism was constructive. It is a shambles. Fact. Supported by the desire to change it and how we could. Constructive.

Point 4 is correct. Except point 1 isn't so by your making number 4 can't be correct.

Once again, the point will be raised again as it were by Pete Benson, its hard to be heard in the club without pushing the barriers such as this. Yes people have moaned at me and dont agree with the method, but if everyone did the the world would be extraordinarily boring. Other than this I personally am in full time education and I train sometimes into double figures a week, its not my job as a 20 year old with a relative lack of experience to push the club forward, athletically yes, behind the scenes no.

Billy are u involved?

Do you prefer Billy, or Mr Elliot?

Do you have a purpose?

Did your last post contribute anything we didn't know days/weeks/months ago?

Are u in fact a cave man rather than a tap dancer?

My dad, Peter would answer this for me no problem I think

[Carl]

Christopher said:

Well done Carl!! A superb athlete and a straight forward person who will stand up and be counted.
As a person who has personally supported this club in a lot of ways over the last few years and if allowed to, will continue to!!Because of the many young athletes like Carl, David and others like them who want to get to the top and are not happy just to compete.
Isn't it time all this bickering between coaches and commitee members stopped and Pete Benson was welcomed back with open arms with everyone working together for the good of the athletes instead of thier own egos.

Thank you Chris. I agree fully with your comments, the club drove forward under Pete Benson it now looks to be faultering. This could be down to many reasons and it would be unfair to point the finger of blame int his instance. Once again, *nods in agreement*

[Pete H]

This topic has been interesting, to say the least. The danger is that because feelings are running high this medium is not the best to use for constructive debate. People are getting upset by remarks that are not intended to upset, but are written in the heat of the moment and then fumed about by innocent parties caught in the crossfire.
Anyone offended should understand that nearly all the contributions have been made with the best interests of the club, and/or its’ athletes, at heart.
This matter was discussed at Committee on Monday, and I think all are agreed that we need to find a team manager who does not have other responsibilities within the club, but will focus on this one task – getting as full a team as possible to all the northern league meetings next season.
If there are volunteers out there I would like to know, and if anyone can suggest who might be persuaded, also let me know. This does not have to be done in public, but talk to me at the track or e-mail me (address elsewhere on the site)
I hope that this will help address some of the problem, but I have to say that at the third match this year most of those present were warned of the need for their presence at the final match. It made no difference. The problem is not simply a matter of organisation, but a matter of working together to become a team in a true sense, where all the athletes are encouraging and supporting one another to attend and perform, whatever their discipline, age, or ability.
I am optimistic that we will stay in Division 2 next season, as the ineligibility of an athlete used by another team has been confirmed by the North of England, and has been reported to the leagues Divisional Secretary.
But let us now set our sights on winning, whatever division we are in next season.
If all our seniors make note of the dates before the season starts and we retain the athletes we already have, with those progressing through the junior ranks used to try and fill any gaps whenever possible there is no reason why not.
But no manager can do anything without athletes, and I sincerely hope that this years’ disaster will increase the determination to do well and support one another, rather than leading to an exodus of talent.

[Carl]

Amen (im not even religious) sorry