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Post by petercrook on Jan 11, 2009 18:53:05 GMT
A fantastic day for Preston Harriers Junior teams at Saturday's Cross Country County Championships.  In total 33 medals were handed out to Harriers Athletes. Under 11 girls, team Silver Under 11 boys, team Bronze Under 13 girls, Florie McLeish, Gold, Rachael Scott, Silver, team Silver Under 13 boys, Daniel Bebbington, Silver, team Gold Under 17 women, Nichola Jackson, Bronze, team Gold Under 17 men, Richard Morrell, Silver, Ben Akin, Bronze, team Gold Under 20 women, Kate Hindle, Silver Under 20 men, Peter Street, silver, team Gold It is expected 15 athletes will be selected to represent their County. Not bad for a group who have apparently been doing it wrong for years.  Also it justifies the coaching teams decision to concentrate on the County Championships rather than the Christmas Handicap.  The Senior ladies also collected the Bronze team award. |
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Post by andy on Jan 11, 2009 19:17:15 GMT
Nice one Pete, as I said yesterday, I think we will just carry on doing it wrong.
If we did it right the rest of the country, never mind the county, would be in trouble.
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Post by mackers on Jan 11, 2009 22:39:04 GMT
excellent ,well done coaches ,keep it up give ya'selfs a pat on the back  |
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Post by dbugler on Jan 12, 2009 8:43:56 GMT
Well done Preston Harriers!!
All the atheletes in the Middle Distance group have done us proud yet again. It is testament to the hard work and dedication they have shown throughout the cross country season so far, and especially over the Christmas training period.
34 medals in a County Championships from one group of athletes is Phenomenal.
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Post by Rob Morley on Jan 12, 2009 22:07:27 GMT
 Congratulations to all involved. What a great start to the year. Check out the link below for some photos of the event www.bripics.com
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Post by Carl on Jan 13, 2009 10:26:22 GMT
Nice one Pete, as I said yesterday, I think we will just carry on doing it wrong. If we did it right the rest of the country, never mind the county, would be in trouble. Petulence by any chance? What did you say to me not so long ago Andy, 'grow up Carl'. Hmmmmmmmmm. Seriously congratulations to everyone who ran not just medalled at the counties, did yourself proud and everyone around you Im sure. Something must be working, somewhere along the line, imagine if the coaches were any good |
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Post by rob on Jan 13, 2009 11:02:01 GMT
l would like to add my congrates to all the athletes who competed on sat in not the best of conditions.to all those who medaled huge well done,to those who will be selected for there county be proud of your vest it is a great honour and enjoy your day.for those further down the field your contribution to the team was very immportant,that effort at the end to pass just one more athlete that little bit of strength to hold another club of helps the teams final score.
well done to all athletes
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Post by petercrook on Jan 13, 2009 16:07:18 GMT
for those further down the field your contribution to the team was very immportant,that effort at the end to pass just one more athlete that little bit of strength to hold another club of helps the teams final score. well done to all athletes rob Quite right Rob In recognigtion of their sterling performances in helping to acquire team medals on the day and for the hard work that they had put in during the Christmas holidays, the coaches had already agreed to supply medals to all athletes who were unfortunate to miss out on the day. We have no doubt that having seen the commitment that these youngster's put in, that their day on the podium will be not too far away. |
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Post by Jane on Jan 13, 2009 23:06:18 GMT
I would just like to thank everyone involved for a fantastic morning out - it was cold - the ground was frozen - but the kids really did enjoy themselves - how amazing that the under 11 boys who do not train cross country could keep within the pack and bring home a team medal (if not individual) - maybe next time out. Keep up the good work - and keep the runners informed of the next meetings please |
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Post by Stephen Bennett on Jan 14, 2009 22:43:42 GMT
Nice one Pete, as I said yesterday, I think we will just carry on doing it wrong. If we did it right the rest of the country, never mind the county, would be in trouble. Petulence by any chance? What did you say to me not so long ago Andy, 'grow up Carl'. Hmmmmmmmmm. Seriously congratulations to everyone who ran not just medalled at the counties, did yourself proud and everyone around you Im sure. Something must be working, somewhere along the line, imagine if the coaches were any good I think grow up says it all Carl... I wouldn't normally say anything but I'm getting particularly annoyed with people and coaches having a pop at the middle distance group... |
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Post by Carl on Jan 15, 2009 13:32:57 GMT
Sad state of affairs mate when so many people think the same thing.
I think it's quite funny actually, how all this goes on. There clearly is not a right and a wrong way to go about coaching, it's a subject where improvisation has to be used. Some people like to stick to the book, others don't. Some people target medicority, some don't. Some people want to design training so that kids come very good, very quickly. Unfortunately though not many of them make it pass the age of 20.
My view of it is, not that many, if any will care, or listen is.....kids from a young age to at least 12/13 should be coached the main principles, no matter where the talent seems to lie. So agility/quickness (as a whole)/ light speed endurance. Everything else can be worked on, endurance is key but not as a kid in my view, endurance can be built at any age, speed and especially agility is much harder after teenage years.
For instance, when i was 14 and first started I was a little older than when msot people start but I didn't do any endurance till I was 15 and for a sprinter I have quite good endurance these days. As a kid you can be burnt out too early being asked to run round a track countless times, not to mention it does get boring. However, coaches have their own views, which usually leads to one thing as a youngster, excellence, in the extreme case, or serious injury a few years down the line, in most cases though one usually follows the other, generally in that order.
Unfortunately there has been many cases of this sort of thing happening in the middle distance squad, everyone has seen that. It may just be co-incidence, I hope it is to be honest. Coaches nationwide need to remain focused on LTAD model to get the best out of there athletes. At the end of the day the lad who wins a county x country medal this year will be forgotten in 3 years time.
What I'm trying to say is that everyone should be open to suggestion, the best coaches that are open to suggestion make the best coaches, and in the long run have the best athletes and that's a fact. The bottom line is too many coaches are too hard headed and are happy to be massive fish in a tiny pond. If more coaches were open minded in this country then the quality of athletes would greatly improve in the long run, whcih links back to the LTAD model, which i repeat has to be followed to get the best out of an athlete.
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Post by Carl on Jan 15, 2009 13:36:40 GMT
Sorry would just like to add to that list as well as endurance, strength, power, jumping can all be coached when children progress and get older. Speed is a natural ability and really can only be influenced greatly as children grow up.
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Post by petercrook on Jan 15, 2009 15:59:58 GMT
Sad state of affairs mate when so many people think the same thing. I think it's quite funny actually, how all this goes on. There clearly is not a right and a wrong way to go about coaching, it's a subject where improvisation has to be used. Some people like to stick to the book, others don't. Some people target medicority, some don't. Some people want to design training so that kids come very good, very quickly. Unfortunately though not many of them make it pass the age of 20. My view of it is, not that many, if any will care, or listen is.....kids from a young age to at least 12/13 should be coached the main principles, no matter where the talent seems to lie. So agility/quickness (as a whole)/ light speed endurance. Everything else can be worked on, endurance is key but not as a kid in my view, endurance can be built at any age, speed and especially agility is much harder after teenage years. For instance, when i was 14 and first started I was a little older than when msot people start but I didn't do any endurance till I was 15 and for a sprinter I have quite good endurance these days. As a kid you can be burnt out too early being asked to run round a track countless times, not to mention it does get boring. However, coaches have their own views, which usually leads to one thing as a youngster, excellence, in the extreme case, or serious injury a few years down the line, in most cases though one usually follows the other, generally in that order. Unfortunately there has been many cases of this sort of thing happening in the middle distance squad, everyone has seen that. It may just be co-incidence, I hope it is to be honest. Coaches nationwide need to remain focused on LTAD model to get the best out of there athletes. At the end of the day the lad who wins a county x country medal this year will be forgotten in 3 years time. What I'm trying to say is that everyone should be open to suggestion, the best coaches that are open to suggestion make the best coaches, and in the long run have the best athletes and that's a fact. The bottom line is too many coaches are too hard headed and are happy to be massive fish in a tiny pond. If more coaches were open minded in this country then the quality of athletes would greatly improve in the long run, whcih links back to the LTAD model, which i repeat has to be followed to get the best out of an athlete. I'm not quite sure, what you mean in your first line Carl. Is it that you believe so many people think the middle distance squad are doing it wrong, or that too many people have an opinion on what other coaches do. With reference to the rest of your post, I and I believe I am speaking for the rest of the MD coaches agree with the coaching principles you set out and these are the ones are we adhere to. A point in fact confirmed by an Olympic athlete very recently. Our athletes cover substantially less mileage than those at other clubs. Probably 50% less than those recommended by UK athletics in their recent endurance guidelines. For some reason, other coaches and athletes appear badly mis-informed as to what we actually do in training. It appears that someone at the club is loading the gun with ammunition, for other people to fire. If peole are foolish enough to believe that we should be doing 100m reps in the middle of winter as a middle distance group, then more fool them. What people believe and what their opinions are, are indeed their perogative, they just should'nt really be trying to force their views on other coaches who are more qualified in the events that they coach. As for injuries, all part and parcel of athletics. To claim their is some inherent injury problem in the middle distance section is un-founded. Yes one or two athletes have had injuries in the group, but so have others in other groups and often much longer term. When taking into account the much higher volume of athletes in middle distance, 54 for instance at a recent, freezing cold, morning training session between Christmas and the New Year, the actual percentage of injuries is indeed probably lower. The nature of the events dictate that there is a greater liklehood of injury, as does the fact that the athletes compete for the full 12 months in one form or another. We certainly don't encourage 14 year olds to lift weights. It would appear that whenever any individual or section of this club has success, there is always someone else at the club, looking to find a negative from it. We have youngster's who in many cases have just been awarded their first medal or county vest, once again not being allowed to just receive recognigtion for their achievements. Personally, I just don't get it. |
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Post by Carl on Jan 15, 2009 17:16:22 GMT
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I'm not quite sure, what you mean in your first line Carl.
Is it that you believe so many people think the middle distance squad are doing it wrong, or that too many people have an opinion on what other coaches do.
With reference to the rest of your post, I and I believe I am speaking for the rest of the MD coaches agree with the coaching
principles you set out and these are the ones are we adhere to. A point in fact confirmed by an Olympic athlete very recently.
Our athletes cover substantially less mileage than those at other clubs. Probably 50% less than those recommended by UK athletics in their recent endurance guidelines.
For some reason, other coaches and athletes appear badly mis-informed as to what we actually do in training. It appears that someone at the club is loading the gun with ammunition, for other people to fire. If peole are foolish enough to believe that we should be doing 100m reps in the middle of winter as a middle distance group, then more fool them.
What people believe and what their opinions are, are indeed their perogative, they just should'nt really be trying to force their views on other coaches who are more qualified in the events that they coach.
As for injuries, all part and parcel of athletics. To claim their is some inherent injury problem in the middle distance section is un-founded. Yes one or two athletes have had injuries in the group, but so have others in other groups and often much longer term.
When taking into account the much higher volume of athletes in middle distance, 54 for instance at a recent, freezing cold, morning training session between Christmas and the New Year, the actual percentage of injuries is indeed probably lower.
The nature of the events dictate that there is a greater liklehood of injury, as does the fact that the athletes compete for the full 12 months in one form or another.
We certainly don't encourage 14 year olds to lift weights.
It would appear that whenever any individual or section of this club has success, there is always someone else at the club, looking to find a negative from it.
We have youngster's who in many cases have just been awarded their first medal or county vest, once again not being allowed to just receive recognigtion for their achievements.
Personally, I just don't get it.
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Ok, right well clearly you have covered things there that i did not mention and therefore will not comment on as I don't actually care about what you do as coaches, I care about the wider picture and how coaching is nationwide. In regards to my first line, it is that too many people have too many opinions.
I will say that I don't believe anyone in the right mind is suggesting that 100metre reps in winter is the way forward. Unless of course they are back to backs and then we get on to speed endurance, of which Im sure u do plenty.
The paragraph when u mention athletes competing 12 months a year slightly concerns me. I'd hope that these athletes were old enough, strong enough and fit enough to cope with competition whether it be on the track, on the x country or on the road. I used to live with and am very good friends with a few national standard senior and junior MD runners and they often told me that too many athletes (middle distance) competed too much which left them injured. Surely, it would make sense to concentrate on one aspect of the season that compete 12 months rigourously, its no wonder bodies fall apart, especially younger athletes. When they are older and I mean like 19/20 and strong enough, it makes sense to do 12months I imagine. Injury prevention is the a major factor to success in our sport, and avoidable injuries happen all too often. Once again, unfortunately this is a nation wide problem, one of my best friends who is now in his mid to late 20s now wishes he took it easy as a youngster. I remember him saying 'if the talent is there it will come out, too many people work to hard searching for talent too young.' A view point I will never forget.
This is not solely directed at the MD group, I think it applies to everyone in the club and for that matter in the country.
I repeat once again congratulations to the athletes and everyone else involved, they have done well.
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Post by Carl on Jan 15, 2009 18:26:38 GMT
Also and unfortunately when you go on a public forum and start writing sarcastic, not required comments, such as: -
'Not bad for a group who have apparently been doing it wrong for years.'
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'as I said yesterday, I think we will just carry on doing it wrong'
and then write
'We have youngster's who in many cases have just been awarded their first medal or county vest, once again not being allowed to just receive recognigtion for their achievements.
Personally, I just don't get it.'
What do you expect when you write comments like that? It's an obvious dig at someone (people), and it will cause a reaction somewhere along the line.
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